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Personal Account: Danielli, Part I
By Danielli Alejos on Thursday January 14, 2010
She has a good income, heinous debt, she's planning her wedding and—oops!—her fiancé just quit his job. DW reader Danielli wants off the financial rollercoaster, but how? Here the first installment in her new blog for us.
My name is Danielli. I'm 29 years old, living in Florida--and on paper I look great.
I have a master's degree, a full-time job and an above average yearly salary (about $60,000). But underneath the "You go, girl!" exterior lies a bumbling financial idiot.
As I write this, I only have $30 in my savings account; I'm late on three of my monthly bills and I have over $60,000 in debt (yes, that would be the same as my yearly income).
I suppose it could be worse, but I'm having a hell of a time trying to make it better. I'm bipolar when it comes to money management--great one month, absolutely pathetic the next.
I want off the roller coaster.
I'm not looking to be a millionaire--I just want to have the financial freedom and stability to pursue my goals: Start my own business, have kids, have the ability to feed those kids something other than ramen noodles….
This month my plan is two-fold. First, I need to learn where I stand. Ignorance may be bliss but it doesn’t get you very far.
Second, I need to set some (realistic) goals, both long-term and short-term and determine the actions necessary to achieve them.
I'm supposed to be saving for my wedding—but I also need to kill off some of my debt.
Taking stock of my financial status has been a brutal experience. Organization and prioritization are important now more than ever—but those are still scary concepts for a girl who once bought a Nintendo Wii in lieu of paying rent. Here’s what I've done so far:
- 1. Calculated my regular monthly expenses. These are bills that I have to pay every month: rent, credit cards, gym membership, student loan, mobile phone, etc.
2. Calculated my variable expenses. These are monthly expenditures that occur quasi-regularly but can vary in cost. Think groceries, dog food and supplies, household supplies, oil changes, etc.
3. Determined upcoming expenses. These expenditures crop up occasionally, but they always throw me out of whack when they come up and I haven't prepared or saved. These include doctor appointments, vet visits, travel, etc.
It has been hard enough to admit how much I REALLY spend, but what makes it worse is that my fiancé is, um, on unexpected work hiatus: i.e. he quit his job. We live together, so my next goal is to make sure my income will cover all the bills.
Stay tuned for my next post, where I (wo)man up and draw some lines in the sand, setting concrete limits, goals and plans.
As silly as it sounds, I’m terrified. I’ve always viewed achieving financial stability as unattainable, almost myth-like. Then again, really working towards it is something I have never tried. Until now. I hope to hear from DW readers. I'd love your advice, your stories, and to know what your rollercoaster ride is like.
written by Denise Rahart , January 14, 2010
written by Amanda , January 14, 2010
You'll save $ in no time - quick little tip. After every day, I empty all my change into a jar- you will be surprised how much you can save - a penny is a penny.
written by Amberly , January 14, 2010
written by Rachel B , January 14, 2010
I would also recommend reading "Your Money or Your Life" by Joe Dominguez. It's easy to understand and gives you some things to consider regarding your attitudes towards spending and earning.
Good luck!
written by Roxanne , January 14, 2010
Denise, I like your method - paying everything first before you have the chance to spend. I'm going to try it and see if it helps.
written by SB , January 14, 2010
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written by Aspiring Millionaire @ MyMillionairePlan.com , January 14, 2010
As I am reading your article, I am taking baby steps to organize my own financial situation and I really thankful for your inspiration.
written by DD , January 14, 2010
written by MACKLOO , January 14, 2010
Second, Danielli, it's great to hear I am not the only one with money managing problems.
I seem to spend on $$$ on items I don't need...then I am short when it comes to bills. My new goal
this year is paying bills FIRST, then spending $$.
I am also picking up a part time job, and not eating out anymore. It's crazy how much eating out adds up!
I admire your strength and courage to come forward and share your journey to financial freedom with us!
written by Jen Walsh , January 14, 2010
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written by Jennifer , January 14, 2010
Like you, I've got a mountain of debt (failed business venture), a good job and am considering a wedding in the next 18 months. I'm making my bills and stashing away money in a 401(k), but it is one paycheck to the next.
What is the magic formula to balance out what I see as the three big financial pulls: Enjoying life today, paying down debt and saving for the future?
Thanks for coming forward.
written by Samantha , January 14, 2010
written by Leon F , January 14, 2010
written by Sara , January 14, 2010
I'm hoping, realistically hoping that this year, I can take my extra earnings (I started my business, slow but steady) to pay down some debt, and I'm taking all extra money (bonus, tax refund) and putting that toward paying down debt. I'm trying to realize that I don't need starbucks everyday (although, I've reached a point where I dislike my job so much it makes me go to starbucks as an escape!!), but I'm starting to see that I don't need that new bottle of lotion until I finish the bottle in my cupboard. Just because there's a sale doesn't mean I need it.
I'm rambling, but my point is, I'm $40K in debt and I make around $60K, so I feel you. We can and will do this! Until the next article.
written by SB , January 14, 2010
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written by Amanda , January 14, 2010
As for planning a wedding - I bet you will have a lot of insight into having the wedding you want with a budget you can afford: another great blog or book!
Good luck!
written by Kirra , January 14, 2010
written by Sarah R , January 14, 2010
I know it's scary. My biggest tip is not to go it alone. Start subscribing to blogs about getting out of debt. Join yahoo groups about debt. Read books (Total Money Makeover is a great start). Watch shows like Suze Orman or Dave Ramsey or Til Debt Do Us Part. Get yourself motivated.
I'm on a couple of blogs and online communities and I have to say that it's was the single most helpful thing I did. Because here's the truth you know but don't fully grasp: this is hard. Harder than you think. And probably harder than you're ready for. But you can do it. I had a really hard time in the beginning (beginning meaning 8 months apparently) But now, I see what I've achieved so far and I'm so excited about my journey. I actually like saying, "I can't afford to do that." And I just had someone hassle me for being so "tight" that I can't get a haircut til my next paycheck and my response was, "no. I just have a budget and I stick to it. My money has things to do and places to go."
Good luck. You're definitely not alone!!!
written by MJ , January 14, 2010
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written by del , January 14, 2010
I strongly recommend reading the background story of Trent Hamm, the author of the blog thesimpledollar.com. It's inspiring and helpful, and might give you some ideas on how to put together a plan to get out of debt and build some savings.
For what it's worth, my four suggestions to help you on your journey are:
1. The snowball method of paying down debt worked for me. It's where you calculate the largest amount of money you can afford to put towards debt repaying, and pay the minimums on all of your debt except for one credit card or loan (usually the one with the highest interest rate). Once you pay the minimums on your other loans, put the remaining, larger amount of money towards the loan with the highest interest rate. Once you've finished paying that loan off, start putting that amount every week/month towards the second-highest-rate loan, and on and on. The feeling of satisfaction when you pay off your first loan or card is a real motivator.
2. Build up an emergency fund immediately. Make it a priority. This is extra important since you live with your fiance who is unemployed at the moment. Break down your savings goals to an amount you can put aside weekly; it seems way more manageable that way. It would be great to have six months' worth of living expenses, but when I built up my first emergency fund, I made do with three months as a goal in order to make it seem more manageable. Once I hit three months' worth of living expenses saved, I just kept saving the money until I hit six months' worth of savings. You have a Wii now, so that's at least one source of free entertainment!
3. Rachel B's suggestion to read "Your Money or Your Life" is excellent. This book changed my way of life, and my way of thinking and being a consumer. I can't recommend it enough! Even if you don't follow all of the author's suggestions, it opens up a lot of thought and discussion about what is considered 'normal' to buy and spend your money on in our society. So much of what is considered necessary today is actually in some way a 'keeping up with the Joneses'. Until about 5 years ago (I'm 32), the ideas I had about what's normal to spend at my salary (back then it was $50k) were totally out of line with my actual income and goals. I thought it was normal to go out to dinner a few times a week at $50 a pop was normal, along with taking two trips a year at $2000 a vacation. When I sat down and calculated what I needed to put aside to have a bit of retirement money, as well as build up a financial safety net, I realized I was living way beyond my means. Spending the way I was doing would not let me save as much money as I wanted. It took a while, reading a lot of personal finance books and blogs and websites, but I finally was able to start thinking of my retirement and emergency funds as equally important as things like vacations and dinners out. It's so much more fun to get the instant gratification of a vacation or dinner in a nice restaurant, than it is to put the money somewhere where you don't see it for a long time and there is no immediate reward. One of the rewards of building up an emergency fund is a huge feeling of relief when you don't have to constantly be worried about what would happen if you lost your job, or if you needed money quick for an emergency like an unexpected hospital bill.
4. Would you consider spending way less on your wedding than you originally planned? This is a big one. A lot of peer and family pressure and expectations ride on spending a ton of money on your wedding. It's not uncommon in North America to go tens of thousands of dollars in debt for a wedding. Personally, I feel that it's a lot easier on a marriage to start off together as a couple with less (or no) debt, even if it means sacrificing the storybook wedding. Unless you have a lot of extra money, or someone else with a lot of money is willing to pay for your lavish wedding, it might be best and most realistic to set a very small budget for it. The budget should be just what you can save up until you plan on having it. This may sound disappointing, but financial stress and argument are a big cause of marital discord and divorce, so this is an important point to consider.
Thank you for sharing your story with all of us. Good luck, and I will definitely be following your story and cheering you on!
written by Cass , January 14, 2010
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written by MP Dunleavey , January 15, 2010
Everyone else, yes, Danielli has a lot of courage. And she is working really hard to figure stuff out. Her story is a great one. Stay tuned to hear more.
written by RiRi , January 15, 2010
Congrats on taking the first step to being financially responsible. It gets addicting! I have a question for you. It's great that you are taking charge of your financial status but how is your fiance going to play part in this? Is he going to live off his savings and pay 50%/50% for all fincances or are you going to start paying for things such as groceries, movie tickets etc for both of you? I tend to always go out with men that makes less than me (while they chase their dream) and have ended up paying more in rent, groceries, outing costs and sacrifice my hard work earned $ while they coasted by and it's not a great feeling. What kind of rules are you going to make between you two so that it won't drain your finances?
written by xl , January 15, 2010
Despite some of the negative comments on here, I hope you move forward with your plans. I don't know or your boyfriend but be honest to each other and really open your heart and mind. I've been married 13 years and for the longest time, I thought to myself my husband didn't care about me. I'm the breadwinner in the house so to shoulder the responsibility is huge. I've given up on my husband being a breadwinner but at the same time, he is the better parent to our children so there's a tradeoff. But to the point, my mother passed away a year and a half ago and the love and support my husband showed was enormous when I didn't see it all along because I had closed him off somehow. I guess I'm trying to say the two of you are the ones to make the decision and to provide support for each other.
As far as the wedding goes, it's one day of your life. Having a very expensive wedding does not determine how much you love each other. You'll have the rest of your life to make each other happy and to take trips down the road to make up for it which will keep you two bonded.
Thanks for sharing.
written by Jennifer , January 15, 2010
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written by CJ , January 16, 2010
It is so refreshing to hear your complete financial honesty! I'm certainly in a similar position right now career-wise, debt-wise, and my spending habits are pretty much on par. Although I don't have a fiance or pending wedding, I want to be in a financial position to do all of those things and think about purchasing property when the time comes! My biggest challenge is admitting that I don't know how to handle my money - as an intelligent and independent woman, I should know how to be fiscally responsible, right? But when your female role models freely spend it's easy to get used to the idea that you can spend money on things that in reality exceed your income. Your story reminds me that I'm not alone, and that it's okay for me to seek help in whatever way I need!
Thank you for being so incredibly brave - and I wish you all the best of luck in getting your debt situation under control! I look forward to following your progress :)
written by Jodi , January 16, 2010
Thanks for posting your blog. It's encouraging to know I'm not alone. I recently had to come to terms with reality about my debt. I've always had a budget, but then after weight loss surgery, went from eating for comfort to shopping for comfort and got out of control. In two years, I've racked up $55,000 in debt. I never added the bills to the budget, I'd just pay them out of my savings as they arrived in the mail. Now, my savings is almost gone and it hit me finally. I sat down, figured it all out and realized that my savings will only pay for three more months of the credit card bills, then I'll be $725 a month short of paying all my bills on time. Worst of all was admitting this to my husband who knew I was buying a thing or two here and there, but assumed most of my new smaller clothes were coming from family & friends (they have given me a lot, but I've bought most of them and lied about it). I gave my husband what's left of my savings and asked him to put it in a separate "bill money" account and when it's time to pay bills, we look at what I need and he gives me just enough to cover the bills and I online pay them right then. I'm looking for a part-time job to help out and have cut up and closed all my credit accounts. I don't carry cash and leave my checkbook and debit card at home unless I know I have to buy gas that day for the car. All our spare change goes in a jar and gets put in the bill money account each month. I've sold everything extra we have around the house, except for some smaller things that I'm gathering to do a garage sale as soon as our neighborhood does their spring group sale. All this has added two more months worth of bill money to my savings, so I'm slowly adding to what I have to keep us from going under. My husband's even cut back on eating out when I'm gone for work. He also cut out his daily special 32-ounce sugar free latte stand drinks ($6.50 a day) and purchased an espresso maker and in just over a month between it's paid for itself. He spends about $12 a month on the supplies (beans, syrup, milk) so for less than the cost of two drinks, he's got enough supplies to last him a whole month!
I'd be interested in finding out how Kirra who posted above was able to get the credit card companies to have the interest payments stopped on all her cards. My credit score is already trashed because of being at the high end of all my cards, and we own our house and our cars, so I'm willing to do anything I can with the creditors to get my payments to actually count toward paying them off. As you can see from using my savings to pay the bills and trying to add money to the savings to make another month's worth of payments - I can't add any extra to any bill right now. As soon as I can I plan to start snowballing!
I wish you the best and am hoping good things happen for you!
written by Kat , January 17, 2010
No, I didn't say call off the wedding or get married in a courthouse. Sure, talk to the guy about money. It's important, but that's not the crux of my argument.
I'm going to make an assumption that a decent chunk of your debt is credit card debt. Best case scenario is that you'd get 2% on your wedding savings, and be paying ~9% on your credit cards. That's a spread of 7% under the best circumstances, and I sort of doubt you are under the best of circumstances in terms of rates. So you're probably looking at a spread of 12% - 18%, if not more.
With a spread like that, just pay down your CC debt as aggressively as you can and charge what you need/want for the wedding. To put it another way, every dollar you contribute to your CC instead of a savings account gets you 18% more wedding.
Will you increase your debt again when you charge the wedding? Of course you will. But you'll at least have saved yourself some money on interest by lowering your balance temporarily. And I bet you'll think harder about what you want for your wedding when you don't have a pot of cash labeled "wedding" that you've mentally decided you can blow, and instead have to put yourself further in debt for it. Knowing that should help you make some tough financial decisions about your big day.
written by M. Johnson , January 17, 2010
written by Karen B , January 19, 2010
Yes! I already have a savings account that I would like to contribute to, or I will set one up. I am calling this account my ___Curve-Ball Fund or anything you'd like to save toward) savings account. I have already set it up.
Yes! I will automate this savings by setting up a transfer to happen every time I get paid.
Yes! I will start by saving 5% of my monthly income, or an amount that I am comfortable with, specifically $500 a month.
Yes! When I am confronted by fear, or hypnotized by the latest sale at Dillard's, I will choose my future and save instead.
Yes! I will be patient with myself, and I won't let small set backs keep me from reaching my goal of $6,000.00 saved by December 31st, 2010.
written by Mindy , January 20, 2010
NEXT set up a savings account where you can easily transfer funds to from your checking account. Every time you are about to buy something you know you don't need ( cup of coffe when you have it at work for free, a pair of shoes that are cute but that you don't need, or another 10$ cocktail) don't buy it and instead transfer the cash from your checking to your savings- whether the purchse is $3 or $30. don't watch the account and go back at the end of the month and see how much you've saved by cutting your frivolous spending. When I did this several years ago, I was making 25,000 a year living in NYC. I didn't believe I was spending foolishly- 3 months later when I realized I'd saved over 1,000$ in my frivolous spending savings account I was shocked!
all the small stupid purchases add up. get those in check along with tracking things automatically with mint, and you'll easily get the financial stability you want!!!
good luck!!!
written by Danielli , January 20, 2010
With such a positive (for the most part) response, I'm glad that I followed through. I'm both anxious and excited about my upcoming journey, and I'm really glad I have cheerleaders, empathizers and supporters along for the ride.
Now, with such a public display of what most people typically keep private, it's understandable that some criticism is headed my way, especially in regards to my relationship and fiance.
I felt it was important to divulge that information, even though I didn't have to, because it helps portray a more accurate picture of my situation. Unfortunately, it also allows people to jump to conclusions and make judgments.
Because I respect myself and my fiance, I want to set the record straight. I wouldn't have put the information out there if I didn't have faith in him or our relationship.
First of all, my fiance isn't a deadbeat. Like me, he isn't the most financially savvy, but he's a hard worker. A very crappy (and personal) situation at his job urged him to quit sooner than we had planned (so yes, him being out of work for awhile was something we were expecting), and I supported his decision (so yes, we communicate!) Had I not, he'd still be working his miserable, abusive and demoralizing job. Since then he's picked up some part-time work while he figures out what's next for him.
Secondly, we JUST got engaged. Not even one month ago. As THRILLED as I am, planning isn't a priority right now. But saving is. Our financial situation and progress will determine when this wedding is and what the costs involved will be.
All that aside, again, thank you all for the amazing support. I'll be using your comments as a guide as I build my goals and prepare my next post. Until then, take care!
written by stephen ettinger , January 31, 2010
written by Amanda Steinberg (DailyWorth founder) , January 31, 2010
written by Danielli , February 01, 2010
Stephen, while not the most tactful approach, I do understand what you're saying. But before you pass judgment on whether or not we should get married, you need to understand a few things about me...and "we."
I've been having these financial issues LONG before I met my fiance, it just happens that finally addressing them coincided with him proposing. Such is life; I'm happy. However, had I not met him, I'd still be having these issues. I said yes because he's the love of my life, not because I'd have access to his paycheck.
I have my personal expenses/debts/checking account. He has his personal expenses/checking account. We have our shared expenses/checking account. I handle mine, he handles his and we handle ours. Despite having our individual accounts, we know where each other's money goes. Whatever is left over goes into our joint savings account. Together we decide on how to use that money. Sometimes we use it for me. Sometimes we use it for him. Sometimes we use it for us. Sometimes we actually save it.
This is how WE operate. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean we're merely "playing house" or don't want to "be together in everyway."
Just because we're a couple doesn't mean we've magically melded into one uni-being. We're still individuals with individual goals. He might be making less money right now but I'm the one with the mountain of debt, not him. We help each other when and where we can. Which means, YES, WE COMMUNICATE!
I'll be the first to tell you that we aren't perfect when it comes to money and there's PLENTY of room for improvement. We're working on it. But just because we haven't figured it out yet doesn't mean we're not serious about each other. Or that we're not in love. Or that we don't deserve to get married. Or that we're doomed.
We all have our own views on love. But this is not a relationship column. Yes, I know relationships are important to consider, but unless you know me and my fiance personally, then I'd prefer your PRACTICAL advice free from assumptions.
written by CM , February 03, 2010
Personally, I have no issue with the "I" language in your post, because the first thing a young woman, or any young person needs to do is get their OWN financial life in order. And yes, that includes HIM. It would be highly unwise for you to marry while he is jobless. Why? It is not a promising START in any relationship for the ONE wealth generating partner to be in that much debt, and the other partner to be without an income at the LAUNCH of the marital relationship. The male/female roles are irrelevant. That is a risky archetype.
I don't know if you're already doing this, but it does strike me that you BOTH need to put together a long term Marital Financial Plan for the period preceding your marriage and the first three years of your married life together. Too many young people (and I know this from experience) just let their financial life together happen as it comes, but don't make a PLAN together for a) what if one of us loses a job, b) what if one of us want to go back to school c) what are our long term goals together. Creating a PLAN together and committing to that plan will, among other things, help you find the support YOU need to deal with your current personal financial pressures, help the TWO OF YOU begin to find a common marital language for discussing money, and help HIM feel like he's making a contribution to the dialogue even if he is (temporarily I hope) not making a financial contribution. (From the outside I must be honest, him quitting a job before he had another prospect even while he was getting engaged strikes me as rash. Nuff said.)
I think that might be what Stephen, in his old guard, hostile to independent women, married too long and too quick to chastise based on old patriarchal paradigms manner might have actually meant. At least I hope so. Otherwise, he's just a jerk.
Oh, and Stephen... I can't think of WORSE advice than joining financially BEFORE the wedding. PLANNING for a joint financial life is one thing, joining your finances BEFORE you marry? Have you SEEN Judge Judy?! Consolidating a personal financial action plan, "I" language and all, while they're both financially healing and regrouping is NOT playing house; setting up joint financial arrangements without the legal support of a full marital contract THAT is playing house! Dialogue and plan together? Yes! But joint accounts BEFORE a marital contract is in place? While one partner is still financially regrouping and the other unemployed? RIDICULOUS! Dangerous and foolish for both of them! TERRIBLE ADVICE! They need to build their OWN financial power in their OWN respective names until they begin a JOINT financial power sharing relationship through marriage with all of the legal safety nets that go with it. DUMMY! Get your stupid male ego out of the way before you give a young modern woman advice! Because I KNOW you know how much her honey is hurting at not bringing in an income, and I KNOW your dumb advice is probably motivated by how YOU would feel knowing that she, in her "I" language, is empowering herself while you feel powerless. Guess what? Modern young men tend to be quite PROUD of their highly empowered women. Her FIRST obligation is to her own Personal Financial Plan and so is his. That's how they'll make themselves READY for joint financing within a marriage. So BACK OFF! (Mom mode again. Can you tell I've given this speech before?)
Good luck, young friend





